Dripping in Queue Points featuring Jay Ray and DJ Sir Daniel

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Toni (00:01.244)
Hello, hello and welcome to Dripping in Black. I'm your special guest host sitting in, Toni Kennedy, the writer and creator of What's Poppin Penny podcast. And I'm here with two of my dearest friends that I only just recently met.

They've been taking up space rent-free in my head for many, many, many, many episodes. So I think I know them a lot better than they know me. Let me introduce you to the dynamic duo known as Queue Points Mr. Johnny Ray J.

Jay Ray (00:44.757)
What's happening y'all? It's Jay Ray, Johnny Ray, Cornegate the Third, whatever you choose. For you Toni, it's whatever.

Toni (00:55.25)
I usually have all the words. They're just never in the right order.

Jay Ray (00:58.229)
You do. But, they are at the same time.

Toni (01:03.57)
So I'd also like to introduce your partner in crime, Sir DJ Daniel.

Sir Daniel (01:05.548)
at the same time.

Jay Ray (01:15.838)
No.

Sir Daniel (01:16.588)
That's me, DJ Sir Daniel, sometimes Sir Daniel, whatever works.

Toni (01:22.13)
my goodness, my goodness. At least I'm consistent, right?

Jay Ray (01:23.159)
I

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (01:26.85)
Listen, you got it. You got it. we've look, we fam around here. So.

Jay Ray (01:31.488)
Yes.

Toni (01:33.01)
And so I want to know before I talk to you both at the same time, right? I'd like for people to get to know you as I did by listening to you actually as individuals, right? You're interacting, but boy, you're such individuals and you do shine as such.

So is it age before beauty? Is it wisdom before? Like how do we go about this? Who's first?

Sir Daniel (02:10.382)
Well, if this age before beauty, that is definitely me. I'm the elder statesman only by a couple of years, but I am the elder statesman. And Jay Ray Corr, correspondingly is the beautiful one. So we can, so we can leave that there.

Jay Ray (02:10.925)
Hehehehehe

Yeah

Jay Ray (02:23.041)
Yes.

Jay Ray (02:29.207)
No. I think the beautiful thing about Sir Daniel and I working together is he's... When you look at the flow of the show, like Sir Daniel's the anchor, I'm there to fill in and provide some context and be part of the dialogue with him. And that really does work.

Toni (02:29.67)
You

Yeah.

Jay Ray (02:58.391)
you know, and one of the reasons why that's true, and so this is kind of like some of the behind the scenes special sauce of Q Points too, is because I'm also, and Sir Daniel knows this, my mind is in a million places when we're like doing the show. So I'm like, is this on Queue? Is this ready to go? Are we ready to do the thing when he says like a thing, like, is it going to come up on the screen? Blah, blah, blah. What do we do if it doesn't stream? So that's my mind as I'm also being in conversation.

So I appreciate that the way we flow is I get a chance to kind of, it's a dance. I get a chance to, you know, follow Sir Daniel in the dance. And then sometimes I get to dance, right? And then, you know, he'll follow with me. So it's like symbiotic. We work together.

Toni (03:47.516)
Tell me about the origins of Queue Points because you all have, this isn't your first podcast together. So yeah.

Sir Daniel (03:56.75)
So, so Queue Points is officially our first podcast together. But Jay Ray has because Jay Ray is the way he propped me up as the the anchor of the the of the podcast. Jay Ray is completely like a logistics genius. And trust me when I say he has been very helpful.

And amongst our friends, we refer to Johnny to J Ray as the battery because he will put a battery in your back. there is something that you're passionate about, he's going to make sure you do it. Toni, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And so he will make sure like I've had, we would be chatting and spewing ideas back and forth. And the first thing he's like, is do that. we can make that happen.

Um, where are you going to do it? And then next thing you know, there's like a list of things that are supposed to happen in order for your, your, your dream to come to fruition. So I said all that to say, we've had, we've done podcasts separately. Um, he's helped me as per on the production side of one of my podcasts. And I did a podcast way back in the day, like in 2009 with another friend.

back when people were loading up things on Podomatic. That's just how old it was. yeah, so collectively we have been doing Q Points now for almost what going on five? Or is it four? We are in our fourth year now and it is to Jay Ray's point, it is a dance. I like to think of us as a rap group.

Jay Ray (05:32.331)
This is our fourth year.

Sir Daniel (05:45.194)
Like we've got the flow back and forth, which is why our logo, if you all had the chance to see what our cover art looks like, our cover art was inspired by one of the probably the greatest hip hop duos ever, Run DMC, because we feel like there's just a symbiosis, there's a pattern, there is a wordplay, there's a flow that just works for us. And the only way that I can say that we've come to that is by constantly

checking in with each other and being passionate about what we do and planning. We put a lot of planning and dedication into this podcast. So what you're seeing is just two brothers that are true to it and just really producing quality programming for all the podcast listeners out there.

Jay Ray (06:41.469)
Yeah. I think to... Queue Points has such an interesting origin story because we created the show in the midst of the pandemic. But so the way that it kind of came together is I was working on propping up a project called the Black Music Mixtape.

Sir Daniel (06:54.616)
That's right.

Jay Ray (07:09.939)
which was a project to kind of shed light on music that I thought people should know about, but they probably didn't. And kind of tell the story of that music. And then Sir Daniel was working on a project which became Sugar Honey on the Rocks, but what was it? Was it wild?

Sir Daniel (07:27.822)
Right. was, yeah, was, yeah, Women Crush Wednesdays or anyway, it was a mix show. An all vinyl mix show, all women artists. yeah, equipment wise, I was just not there yet. I was...

Jay Ray (07:33.225)
So it was a mix show.

Jay Ray (07:44.513)
where you were also using a platform that was not being helpful as well.

Sir Daniel (07:49.674)
At all. So, and then that led to a conversation between us and we were just like, wow, we just really have so much knowledge and passion in between the two of us. I wish there was something that we could do to put our stamp, know, throw our hats in the ring and put our spin on it. And we, the names we came up with were, some of us kind of fly, some of them were kind of fly, but.

Jay Ray (08:06.678)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (08:14.869)
lots of names.

Sir Daniel (08:18.592)
I'm glad we came up with Queue Points for sure.

Jay Ray (08:21.824)
Yeah.

Toni (08:22.13)
Okay, so for anybody who is doing themselves the disservice of not listening to key Points, right? And what is your show? What is it about?

Sir Daniel (08:31.15)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (08:37.163)
Mmm.

Sir Daniel (08:37.902)
Queue Points podcast is a podcast dropping the needle on black music history. I am DJ Sir Daniel. It starts off, it starts just like that. And it's that it's a, you're, you're, you're eavesdropping in on a conversation between two seasoned hip hop heads who also have a panache for different flavors of music, even outside of hip hop. And we just have these

Jay Ray (08:43.287)
It starts like that. My name is J-Wrek.

Jay Ray (08:58.838)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (09:06.646)
We have a very specific point of view because of our age, because of our experiences in and around the music industry. we just have these deeper than most conversations. You're not going to hear the latest gossip. Well, you might hear a little bit. we're not trying to mansplain you away, but we are literally having

Jay Ray (09:23.895)
You're right here a little bit.

Toni (09:25.638)
Yeah, I listen to that drag show, yeah.

Sir Daniel (09:33.548)
you know, some grown seasoned man conversations around music and how it affects us emotionally is where we come from.

Toni (09:43.296)
Mm. Yeah.

Jay Ray (09:46.347)
Yeah, and just to build on that as well, think one of the things that makes our show unique, well, two of the things that I think makes our show unique is one, we stand in the tradition of those VJs that we absolutely loved in the 80s and the 90s. So we're talking about Ed Lover and Dr. Dre, we're talking about Fab Five Freddie, we're talking about Donnie Simpson, we're talking about Sherri Carter, Madeleine Wood. These are all people that...

Sir Daniel (10:12.782)
of Ralph McDaniels.

Jay Ray (10:13.643)
Ralph McDaniel, these are all folks that inspired us. We got to sit in our houses as young people and teens and watch them every day, tell us what we should be tuning into, right? And opening our minds to this greater world out there. So that's one thing that makes us unique. And then the other thing too is that so much of what we are is a Black culture podcast, right?

Music is of course our foundation. It's the way that we enter the conversation. But when you listen to Queue Points, we actually just talk it like we are black history down. We are talking about the culture. We are talking about what got us to this point. And we are using music as a way to communicate it. So when you listen to us, you're getting a little bit of history. You're getting some entertainment. You get a little bit of gossip. And then you're getting this deep knowledge around music from our perspective. We're not there to know everything.

So we welcome, we love it when people like listen to us and say, hey, but here's this thing that you should know about this thing that y'all talked about, blah, Because that's part of the community, right? We're all learning together, but you know, we're here to bring you some stuff that you might, we might think about it differently. So we bring that to the show.

Sir Daniel (11:16.622)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (11:31.218)
Now I met your show before I met you. I met Johnny in air fellowship, right? Last year. Okay, I know it felt that's why it was like last year, not this year. You know, this is a brand new year. So that's when we actually met, right? And then it was soon after that, that I met you, Adrian. Is it okay if I call you Adrian?

Jay Ray (11:36.891)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Time flies.

Sir Daniel (11:39.886)
man.

Jay Ray (11:43.741)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (11:58.846)
Listen, it's so funny. So that's my moniker, but people that have known me forever, they go in and out of that. They go between Sir Daniel and Adrian. I like to say what I like to copy Anna Deshawn. I respond to anything respectful. You can call me anything that's respectful. So, you know, I love it.

Toni (12:17.424)
I love that. I love that.

Jay Ray (12:17.512)
Yes.

Toni (12:23.062)
air fellowship, I'm, I'm gonna try to explain what that is, right? But Johnny, you probably much better at this than me. let's see. So air is the association of independent radio, but that also includes podcasts, right? And they have this marvelous program, like aside from

Jay Ray (12:28.673)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (12:32.957)
You're gonna be fine.

Toni (12:50.872)
all the great stuff that comes with being a member, right? With membership, membership has its privileges, right? So you've got all these great classes and access to all these knowledgeable people that help you avoid the pitfalls of being a new podcast or someone in that industry, right? But then they have a fellowship program where they brought, what was it, 12 of us?

Sir Daniel (12:56.782)
You

Jay Ray (13:18.359)
No, I think it was more like 17, 18. It was a bunch of us. Yeah, was a lot of us. Yep.

Toni (13:22.624)
okay. Okay. So I had on my peripherals. No, I'm joking. So yeah, like 18 of us all together and we met weekly and we had specific assignments to help really drill down into the business of our podcasts, right? Cause we get a lot of joy out of it. But for those of us who also want to pursue it as a business.

Air was all about that bag, right? So Johnny and I, I just, I just connected with you. And that may be because I already thought I knew you. Because as I've told you before, you've been in my house, you've been in my garden, you stay in my car, you know, like you're always there and I'm always talking back to you. And it took me a second to like,

come to a reality where I have never actually met you.

Jay Ray (14:23.799)
Fun, can I tell a fun story? I want you to put a pin. I don't know where you're going, Toni, but I want you to hold it, because it's going to be brilliant. But a fun pin for everyone. So when we were at Afros and Audio, I just met Toni in person for the first time in October. So when I met Toni, I gave Toni this big hug, and I'm like, it's so great to finally meet you. And Toni looked at me like, I don't, what are you?

You know me and I'm like, yes, I know you, but we just met just now. Cause it's see, and then Toni's like, that's right. We have not.

Toni (15:02.45)
That's right. I gotta put on my daytime manners. I don't know you like that.

Sir Daniel (15:03.842)
That's the power of power-cast.

Sir Daniel (15:08.622)
But that's the power of podcasting, right? You know, we have these parasocial relationships with our favorite podcasters and you're right, hearing somebody speaking directly to you, if you have your earbuds in, we're speaking directly into your ears. And that's a very intimate moment.

Jay Ray (15:26.625)
Yes.

Toni (15:30.834)
For me, prior to actually meeting you, I would describe my relationship with you as a very enjoyable high school experience. Like you were the friends I didn't have in high school or just a couple of friends that I actually did have in high school where I would explain, I said to you, Johnny, once that,

For me, Sir Daniel is the person you meet at the bleachers. Because you're need to sit down. He's gonna tell you everything behind everything, what's going on, the reason for it, and what take place prior to, and what you can expect to come out of this.

Jay Ray (16:05.459)
Okay.

Sir Daniel (16:22.381)
I'm giving you the lowdown. It's a bleachers.

Toni (16:22.946)
And you, Johnny, and you, Johnny, you're the person you meet at your locker. You got five minutes. Got that 90 second bell Go and Johnny's going to run it down. He's going to give you the highlights.

Jay Ray (16:39.319)
And I gotta go and I will see you later. Back here, back here, our break. It really is. Yeah.

Toni (16:42.302)
Yes, at the bleachers. So when you say your show is about black culture, the culture, it's also about American history. It's also about the fashions that we're going. It's about the where it's about the what it's about the when, but most importantly, it's about the why of black culture to me.

Sir Daniel (16:42.978)
You know what? That is a perfect analogy.

Sir Daniel (16:56.558)
you

Jay Ray (16:58.645)
Yes. Yes.

Jay Ray (17:08.161)
Mm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Toni (17:11.786)
all encapsulated and made in evidence by the music you present.

That's your thesis.

Jay Ray (17:22.145)
Mmm.

Sir Daniel (17:22.664)
Mm. I agree. I mean, I couldn't have put it better. we and we encompass the contributions of black people in all corners of the world, you know, because everything is connected. I feel like the culture is connected overseas as well, because I'm a part of that.

Jay Ray (17:38.218)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (17:38.385)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (17:51.146)
You know, I'm one of those immigrant kids that came over really young and has a background that intermeshed with the American background that I grew up in. So, yeah, and we bring all of that to to to key Points. And I think that's what we relish the most is that we bring all facets of black, like you said, of blackness to our podcast.

Jay Ray (18:21.751)
And yes to all of that. And also I want to big you up, Toni, thank you for that description because that is really important. One of the things that we know to be true is that music is a universal language, right? We did a show, 2022, our brother Bruce Phillips.

came on and we talked about the Afro Latin experience. For those folks that haven't checked out that show, definitely go back and listen to it. But what was beautiful about that show is because I am this huge fan of like Brazilian music, huge, huge, right? And most of the music that I'm listening to from that culture is in like Portuguese or some language other than my native language of English, right? And, but that does not change the feeling. I know that the song is about love.

even if I don't understand the language. I know that the song is about protest, even though I don't understand the language, right? And so we get a chance to really give people, hopefully, expand their worldview about the music that they're taking in. And not only from Sir Daniel and I, but through you, Toni, through the other listeners that we have,

When we're live, so there's two components to Queue Points we should explain to folks because not everybody knows that. So there's Queue Points, the show, which is often recorded like this, right? There's nobody but us talking. We have a topic, we're gonna cover it. We got there because of you, Toni, because of some insight that you gave us too. So thank you for that. Like, see, Toni, you poured into us, right, to get us there. So there's that aspect of the show.

But then there's Queue Points Live, which is the original, it's the OG version of Queue Points. It's the version of the show which we did for probably the first two and a half years, right? Where we are live, we are talking to each other about a topic, and we are also talking to the audience. So that's what's also important is it's not just about us sharing the information, it is about this community of people also.

Jay Ray (20:44.555)
being part of that conversation. So they're online, we have guests, they're also pouring in. So it's this pouring in where everyone is learning together.

Toni (20:55.662)
Now, where did you meet?

Jay Ray (20:58.951)
we met, we met. was at, shoot, it was at Piedmont Park, May. It is called Indigenous House. Indigenous House, and this is a long time ago, maybe like 2012 or so. So, okay, let's explain Indigenous House. Indigenous House is a annual house music event that happens in Piedmont Park.

Sir Daniel (20:59.521)
Hmm

Sir Daniel (21:04.473)
Piedmont Park.

Sir Daniel (21:09.206)
Indigenous house, yep.

Jay Ray (21:28.113)
in May. So typically like the third or the second or third week of May. And the community gets the opportunity to kind of come out, dance to house music. There are some kind of anchor DJs that happen. And yeah, so I would go every single year. And to out to, cause I lived in Atlanta, Piedmont Park is located in Atlanta. And I would go every single year and one year,

Toni (21:53.723)
Okay.

Jay Ray (21:58.107)
I met DJ Sir Daniel there, but I met you as Adrian. I didn't even know he was a DJ until later.

Sir Daniel (22:04.576)
And we, and just like the thing about what you have to realize about Atlanta is there's no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's probably about one, one degree. And we, we knew a lot of the same mutuals and that were connected through music. And that's how the, relationship began. So we were looking at what well over a decade.

Jay Ray (22:13.717)
None. Right.

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (22:24.725)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (22:33.035)
well over.

Sir Daniel (22:33.832)
all over a decade of friendship built on just a mutual love for music, mutual love for culture. Again, I think creatives when are supposed to meet each other and they put, like I said, Jay Ray is a battery. And so I think we all kind of were meant to meet each other and like and to to to guide each other in some way or fashion.

Jay Ray (22:35.895)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (22:47.211)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (23:03.04)
or to come together on projects and come together as in friendship. And that's exactly what happened. I really truly believe that it was meant to be, that we were supposed to meet. this is the offspring, Queue Points is the offspring of our union per se. we've just, it's just been, and people tell us all the time, first of all,

Jay Ray (23:19.895)
It's the-

Jay Ray (23:23.893)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (23:31.32)
This we always get that people think that we're brothers. They think that we're related. And which I think is hilarious because when people see us together, first of all, when they see us together in real life, yes, we're like, it's like uppercase I, lowercase I. Like I'm what, six three and Jay Ray is not. And so people always, but then we always, they always like, all right.

Jay Ray (23:39.755)
think it's hilarious too, because I'm like... Right.

Yeah, right.

Sir Daniel (24:01.006)
Are you two related? it's like, no, we're not. We are not. However, we are brothers. We are definitely brothers and we are, it's like we're linked, linked for life.

Jay Ray (24:02.583)
We are not.

Jay Ray (24:11.755)
Yeah. And real quick, Toni, I want to, cause we've never done this in this format. And so we're going, I want to call the name of our brother, J King Holiday. So J introduced Adrian and I at Piedmont Park during that time. Yeah. And what's crazy about J is J also reminded, J also introduced me to Kipper.

Toni (24:13.766)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (24:40.075)
So Jay is actually, so it's so funny. Jay is one of those people that in, have these, I have these angels in my life experience that have just kind of like helped me. If I was going to move to a place, there's typically someone who has been there to be like, you should know that person, you know? And so Jay is actually, I just want to send Jay some love and call his name because to

Toni (24:40.306)
Okay.

Toni (24:47.228)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (25:10.025)
incredibly pivotal Points in my world and in the work that I do happen because Jay was somewhere in part of it.

Toni (25:18.04)
Now, do you both still live in Atlanta?

Jay Ray (25:21.354)
I do not.

Sir Daniel (25:21.486)
I'm the only one still here in the metro Atlanta area. Yes.

Jay Ray (25:25.099)
Yeah. Yeah. I'm there a lot though.

Toni (25:25.412)
Okay. And okay, and you're in a witness protection program of some sort, I assume?

Jay Ray (25:32.093)
I am in a witness protection program. Right. No, you know what happens. So it's so crazy how life does this thing, right? I absolutely would still be in Atlanta, right? Atlanta is home. I have so, it's always home, right? Even as crazy as Atlanta has gotten. And I'm just like, I don't even understand what all of this foolishness is. I still like this crazy city. It's not a real place anymore. Like, I don't get it, but okay.

Sir Daniel (25:32.846)
Can't you tell?

Toni (25:36.092)
you

Sir Daniel (25:49.165)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (25:56.718)
It's not a real place anymore.

Jay Ray (26:02.175)
But anyway, no, no, no, no. So I moved back home. So I'm actually in my brother's old bedroom. I moved back home to Chester, Pennsylvania to become a caregiver for my parents. And what's crazy is both Sir Daniel and I also have that experience. So I even interviewed him for an article that I wrote a few years ago about caregiving and how important that is. And then having Black men talk about caregiving is really important.

Toni (26:29.66)
Hmm.

Jay Ray (26:30.901)
So all of these things show up in, I think, the way that we interact, but also the way Queue Points is lovingly delivered to the world.

Toni (26:39.922)
I second that. That's a very apt description of the delivery of Queue Points. But I want to know. Sean is letting everybody know, Which brings me back to it's so not in a bad way, not in a me way.

But what you're saying is resonating with me.

as the creator of What's Poppin Penny? Because the show is essentially between a black man and a little girl, his granddaughter, right? And his name is T.A. and that stands for trusted adult, okay? And

Jay Ray (27:29.057)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (27:37.091)
Mm.

Toni (27:40.722)
TA hung the moon for Penny, right? And so some of the first letters that I got were from men saying, I love the representation, sis. I love being able to see not only the relationship being played out between me and my grandchildren, but that of me and my children, but also more importantly, what tickles me right to my soul is these are the relationships.

Jay Ray (27:43.639)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (28:09.456)
between me as a little kid and the men in my life. And I've never seen them before.

And here's a whole show just dedicated to that premise of black men nurturing.

Jay Ray (28:24.385)
Yeah.

Toni (28:26.222)
So Shawn's nurturing, you're nurturing, both of you, right? And all of that makes its way into your show and it pours into us that are listening. So yeah, it's, cause I feel that energy after I listen to your show, I feel the particular energy and that energy is I feel energized. feel, I feel somehow

Energize. Complete it.

Sir Daniel (28:57.666)
That's by design. That's definitely by design. And I thank you and I receive that. As all of us, as we get older, both Jay Ray and I started experiencing deaths around us. People that meant a lot to us. And of course, the world was changing. We were in a pandemic.

Jay Ray (29:15.606)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (29:23.702)
this crazy man got elected into the presidency. There was a lot of stuff going on collectively. And I just personally was like, okay, where's the joy? Where's the happiness? People are becoming a little way more cynical. everything is about the gotcha moments. Social media is mean, can be a very mean place. And I'm like, okay, where's the joy?

Jay Ray (29:26.464)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (29:52.852)
Even as a DJ, know, going in there with the intention of spreading joy, sometimes you're met with opposition like, no, I want to thug it out. No, I want to be high out of my mind and I want the music to reflect that. And I just, there was, it just wasn't giving me joy. And so one of the things Jay Ray and I discussed,

was the intention behind the show and that we did not want to come off as mansplainers. We did not want to just be regurgitating stats of top five dead or alive, which has been done to death. We don't want to do that. There's plenty and I do mean plenty of podcasts. We're not balloon Poppin. We don't do any of that stuff. And granted, it might be to, it might be to our detriment because

Those, those things are flourishing and you know, sometimes when negativity or things that just aren't as nice tend to flourish faster than things that are decidedly positive. But we're okay with that. You know, if we come from a crock pot generation, you know, I want Q Points to be a slow cook, you know, but you, cause you still, you still smelling the flavor. All of it is walking through the air.

Toni (31:10.162)
Mm.

Jay Ray (31:10.326)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (31:19.328)
I guarantee you more and more people are going to start showing up with their bowls out because they know they smell what the queue is cooking. so, and you know, and everybody else will be, it's fine. They're doing their thing, but we are definitely, have definitely carved out our own space. And we wanted, we made it specifically for you, to come by and to feel comfortable, to feel.

Jay Ray (31:27.255)
you

Sir Daniel (31:48.534)
some sense of soothing in this world, you know, that's pretty much a dumpster fire on any particular day. So yes, I thank you and I received that on behalf of the show. Like it was all done by design for sure.

Jay Ray (31:54.145)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (32:05.335)
Absolutely. I think in addition to that, there's always...

Knowing that that's what the intention of the show is keeps us grounded too. Because we've definitely made decisions to do or to not do a show. So even for instance, Toni, you mentioned like the Drake stuff. It's so weird, like we were in this whole, and I think it's because the world was in it, but even our approach was different. So like we ended up in like this Drake monkey muck for a couple of shows.

Toni (32:19.431)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (32:40.143)
Recently, of course, we ended up in a diddy mucky muck for a few shows. We ended up in a yay mucky muck for a few shows. But even within those moments, it is, how do we do this in a way that feeds in that way that you were talking about, Toni, and is not just, and is not just like a downer?

And we're honest on the show. That's when you get some of the messiness, right? Where it's like, okay, yes, this is a fool and it's a mess. And we're gonna admit that. And also, right? Whatever comes after that. So I think that's important, but us having that foundation of knowing what the intention of the show is, what the vibration of the show is. If we aren't in some way...

Toni (33:27.932)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (33:32.871)
raising your vibration or at least not bring like changing or making your vibration darker. We are doing our job. So that's really important for what we put in.

Toni (33:45.426)
My thought on... Yeah, yours is not regurgitating the information that's already out there in the zeitgeist. It's like you have a thousand aha moments in a show, even though it's out there in the zeitgeist, right? It's funny and it is...

Sir Daniel (34:09.934)
you

Jay Ray (34:10.38)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (34:15.442)
definitely born within the cradle of Black culture.

those the thought process is just it's like you know when you know right it's a shorthand it's not coded as plain as day but it is a shorthand and it's it's funny it's just how it's just how we are as a culture as a people if we don't laugh we cry right so we laughing

Jay Ray (34:30.667)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sir Daniel (34:31.01)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (34:37.963)
Right.

Jay Ray (34:51.733)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Toni (34:55.438)
imparting knowledge and making sure you're okay before we leave.

Sir Daniel (35:02.882)
That's it. Yeah.

Jay Ray (35:02.955)
That, see, that's that thing, right, of that's the important part, is it's that making sure that people are good. And even there's so much out there, like, because to DJ Sir Daniel's earlier point, right, a lot of that mess, sorry.

Sir Daniel (35:27.214)
Is it summertime already in Chester?

Jay Ray (35:29.559)
It's happening in the world. is the sub, right? But because people are hearing all the noise, right? You get like bits and pieces of a thing. If we can take that thing and be like, okay, we're to take this thing and we're going to turn it through this Queue Points body and give it, and be like, okay, here's what this is and here's what this means. And

Here's another way to think about it. But Sir Daniel is, I see you.

Sir Daniel (36:00.814)
So, okay, so it came to me as you were talking, Toni, we are squarely Gen Xers, right? And we were brought up with a particular formula of content. You know, we are the sitcom generation, we are the public, the PBS generation.

Jay Ray (36:08.225)
Yes.

Toni (36:08.274)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (36:26.123)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (36:26.684)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (36:26.902)
And what you described just completely reminded, and this is a full circle moment, because What's Poppin' Penny carries on that tradition. We are children of Sesame Street. We are children of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. All of those shows that took care of us. I think we carry that tradition of...

Jay Ray (36:42.721)
neighborhood.

Jay Ray (36:48.171)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (36:55.482)
giving the, how do they use to put it? Putting the sugar in the medicine. You we're gonna give you a lesson, but it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna taste great. We're low key comedians over here. you know, we like to act a fool. There's no denying that. And, but at the same time, there is a point. There is something that you're going to walk away with. You are going to...

Jay Ray (36:59.831)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (37:00.37)
Mm.

Sir Daniel (37:21.388)
walk away with maybe a new point of view or at least just being exposed to a different point of view. I think that a lot of the misunderstandings that happen today comes from people not being able to see different sides of events and stories. Social media makes it easy to become the main character and your POV is the only one that matters.

when no that's not true because one of the pillars that we have in Queue Points is two things could be true at the same time. You will hear that ad nauseum in every single episode is that we will say yes Kanye West gave us some magnificent music in the mid 2000s. He is a nincompoop today. Two things are true at the same time. He is wearing a

leather black Ku Klux Klan outfit from head to toe. I want nothing to do with him. But Gold Digger, that was my jam in 2005. Two things can be true at the same time. And that's just I think that's just one of the philosophies of Queue Points is in this life, you're just not is nothing is concrete. There's going to be black and white, there's going to be grays, all kinds of variations of colors in this world. So

Jay Ray (38:26.197)
Nothing.

Sir Daniel (38:47.414)
You picked up right on it, Toni. That's exactly, exactly where we got it from. And here you are, like I said, bringing it right back, giving us that caring, because we need that. We need What's Poppin' Penny We need boys, specifically boys, to get that tenderness, to have that sweetness that a lot of men specifically are afraid of exposing.

Jay Ray (39:07.425)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (39:13.356)
Yeah.

Sir Daniel (39:15.502)
boys too because but if you don't what kind of person are you creating to walk amongst this planet you literally are going to be scaring everybody else because you're creating little monsters that have no empathy and they only know rage anger and um yeah they only know rage and anger those are the only two channels on their dial so what are we doing here we need we need what's Poppin Penny we need Queue Points

Jay Ray (39:20.757)
Hmm

Toni (39:21.05)
Right.

Jay Ray (39:35.585)
pleasure.

Jay Ray (39:39.276)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (39:45.176)
to kind of give you that sweetness, that soft touch that we all need.

Toni (39:49.692)
Thank you. I heard you say pleasure, Johnny, and immediately my mind said gratification.

Jay Ray (39:52.534)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And immediate gratification too. Like, yeah. That idea...

Toni (39:57.786)
like immediate yeah yeah so

Jay Ray (40:08.329)
One of the things that we see even in podcast spaces is not having the ability to have conversations anymore. And to Sir Daniel's point also to be able to reckon with the multifaceted nature of just kind of like human existence where the two things can be true at the same time. And it's our hope that we model.

that behavior. We modeled, we've had, shout out to Dr. Ed Garns when he came on the show, he was like, no, like he told Sir Daniel and I that we were modeling what love between black men looks like. We're showing what's possible when brothers respect each other and are able to have conversations and what can come out of that. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's important.

Toni (40:37.34)
Yeah.

Toni (40:51.28)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (41:04.72)
I could go, this is a thing with listening to your show too. I go off on deeper, like I wanna explore more. Like I wanna take that one little nugget and I wanna explore more and I wanna explore more, which means after the show is done, I'm still spending time with you because I'm ruminating over the things that you talked about and exploring more and more and more in depth about the things that you talked about.

Jay Ray (41:33.825)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (41:34.226)
One of the things that I really liked about your show, when I first started listening, was the conversation. But then I noticed, it was like for a show about music, I don't hear any music. And then what I had to start doing was realizing, we're not spoon feeding you, baby. And there is a pause on this show. So your show became very interactive for me.

Jay Ray (41:47.925)
Hahaha

Jay Ray (41:56.129)
you

Toni (42:03.686)
because you would mention a song that I had no idea about as you're talking about an artist and in their catalog, maybe I know about them, maybe I don't, your whole kind of thing. I had to stop and go and listen and listen and listen and repent and listen. I didn't know this was out there this whole time. goodness.

Sir Daniel (42:22.19)
I love that. It's a true thing.

Jay Ray (42:23.229)
Lots of repenting for the Kaya stuff, yes.

Toni (42:34.066)
But what I found myself doing is, as you would talk about a song that would stop your show, pop over and listen to it and then rejoin the conversation a little bit smarter and be able to go. now you've done something, like you've taken it to a whole not a level in the show, with the show, with the newsletter and with other things. You now have a...

Jay Ray (42:55.851)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Toni (43:02.576)
I want to call it a song list, but that's wrong. Yes, you have playlists. mean, and talking about like the bunny, the battery that never stops. You have the newsletter, you have Discord, name everything that you have because I'm going to miss something. And how do you balance it all?

Jay Ray (43:05.111)
Playlist? We do have, yes, we have playlists. We have playlists.

Jay Ray (43:14.751)
You

hehe

Jay Ray (43:24.083)
my, what do, okay. We actually have less things than we did. So this is good. So the main things now, and Adrian jump in if I'm missing anything, but the main things that where people can interact with us. So first and foremost is your home base is our website. If you Google Queue Points in this Q U E U E Points, if you Google Q Points or whatever you bang, whatever.

Sir Daniel (43:28.238)
You

Jay Ray (43:54.059)
Chat GPT these days, people are using that for search. Our website is the first thing, so qpoints.com. There is kind of the hub to get you to everywhere else, right? So if you're coming, yes.

Toni (44:06.738)
I'm going to stop you for one second, spell Queue Points, or at least the first part.

Jay Ray (44:11.615)
Okay, Q-U-E-U-E Points. So P-O-I-N-T-S, qpoints.com. So that's the hub. That'll get you to everywhere else. If you like, boom, I'm really into social media. Okay. We're Queue Points pod everywhere. There's literally not a place, you could even go to qpointspod.com and it'll just redirect you to the website. But we're literally Q Points pod everywhere on social media.

Toni (44:17.563)
Okay.

Sir Daniel (44:29.09)
everywhere.

Jay Ray (44:40.959)
If you want to come down a level from there, there's Queue Points magazine. So that is our digital publication. There is blog posts. There is, all types of interesting stuff. So there's extra stuff over there. So, and it's totally free to join. If we write a new blog, you can get it right in your email. It's amazing. if you want to come down from there, okay, keep going.

we have playlists. So we have playlists in a lot of places. We have playlists on, we have a very active YouTube channel, by the way. So YouTube is a whole other universe. You can watch all the videos of the show. You can listen to the audio of the show. You can catch playlists. So all the playlists that exist in other places are also on YouTube. You can also see all the stuff that we're on. That's not Queue Points on the YouTube. So if sir Daniel and I are talking Queue Points on somebody else's show, all of that is on YouTube.

So, and, and there is our store. We have a whole store. could get Slow Jams Can Heal Us, merch. See, we giving y'all merch. We giving y'all fly merch. And when I see, we got mugs and things. And those are the main pleat pieces. We are literally everywhere you can think of. And yeah.

you have the buttons. We got the slow jabs can heal us buttons. Boom, boom, boom. You could get them from the website. Yeah, we're everywhere. You can think of, and there's something different. So if you search on Spotify, if you search on Last FM, if you search on the title, if you search on YouTube, you could pick up Queue Points everywhere. Playlists, shows, everything.

Sir Daniel (46:08.974)
see the buttons.

Toni (46:40.134)
There you have it.

Jay Ray (46:41.284)
Hehehehehe

Toni (46:43.388)
There you have it. You can't even miss it if you try. Now, slow jams can heal us. What's the origin of slow jams can heal us?

Jay Ray (46:46.545)
No.

Jay Ray (46:52.289)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (46:56.91)
So, hmm.

conversations regarding.

I don't know, we were just talking about just a disconnect in the community amongst people, but then it really got focused for us when a young lady here in Atlanta came, well, it's been a while now, but she started an event called Slow Drag, and her intention is...

Toni (47:32.08)
Wait a minute now for the babies. For the babies, what's a slow drag?

Jay Ray (47:33.895)
Mm-hmm. Mm!

Sir Daniel (47:34.766)
All right. So slow drag or slow dragging is basically one-on-one dancing where you actually hold on to each other and you are listening to slow jam music, music that is romantic in nature, slow, very intentionally romantic language.

Jay Ray (47:40.204)
Yes.

Jay Ray (47:48.161)
Yes.

Jay Ray (47:53.633)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (48:02.912)
all of the good stuff, all of the feels. And her name is Whitney and Whitney created the space specifically for black people to experience an intimacy that has been lost. So the intimacy is, is found through specifically 70s slow jams is how she started it. And so after connecting with her on an episode of the show, Jay Ray and I just, you know, continue the conversation about

Jay Ray (48:06.956)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (48:32.692)
Again, what is missing in the greater society? Again, what is is yeah, what is missing? What do people need? And then one day we were just like, you know what, everything is so messed up. But you know what? Slow jams can heal us. And it was like it was just like, boom. we need to put that on the shirt. Slow jams can heal us. Slow jams. Just the idea of a quiet storm.

Jay Ray (48:49.579)
Yes.

Toni (48:49.947)
Mmm.

Sir Daniel (49:01.41)
When the quiet storm was really popular format all over the states, people just knew that at a certain time to slow their bodies down, slow their minds down, get themselves ready for restorative rest. People gave themselves an opportunity to do that. And they were also receiving romantic messages. They were receiving, you know, messages to titillate.

Jay Ray (49:19.392)
Hmm.

Jay Ray (49:30.763)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (49:30.836)
themselves and to and if you're a couple, you know, you will be titillated and you will have happy times with each other during that time. And, and when people did that, there was a lot people were well, they apparently were a lot less aggravated because they were having happier times with each other. And, and it goes for other people. And so we just that just came to us and was like, yes.

Jay Ray (49:39.605)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (49:48.343)
You

Sir Daniel (49:59.896)
That's what's missing. That connection, intimacy, all of those things that society, social media, television, everything that we are consuming goes directly against is the opposite of what Slow Jams provides for us. It's the complete antithesis of what the larger world is trying to tell us that we need.

No, Queue Points is saying slow jams can heal you. Slow jam, even if it isn't, doesn't have a romantic overture, it could just be slower and have something tender in the message, something that feeds you, something that will nourish your soul. All of those things can heal us. And so that's how we came up with the concept of slow jams can heal us. It was a whole conversation series.

Jay Ray (50:33.527)
Mmm.

Toni (50:48.55)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jay Ray (50:56.641)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (50:56.834)
that you can still go back and check out on YouTube and on Queue Points.com. yeah, and hopefully it'll germinate amongst the rest of the world at some point, may not be today, but it could be tomorrow. And hopefully it'll have a ripple effect on what's happening outside in the world, especially amongst black people.

Toni (51:21.506)
Now, if a person is imagining what you're describing and in their imagination they get to the conclusion of dirty dancing.

Jay Ray (51:35.393)
this is different, but similar. This is different, but similar. here's the thing. so this is so interesting that you would mention, right. It's so interesting that you would mention specifically dirty dancing. So here's the interesting part. So now we're going to go into Q Points land for a minute. Just go with us for a second. You're going to love us for this. The beautiful thing, slow jams in particular.

Toni (51:36.796)
Hey, hey, why is it different?

Sir Daniel (51:40.417)
It's black.

Sir Daniel (51:44.064)
It's black.

Toni (51:49.638)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (51:55.954)
You're gonna enjoy it, go with us.

Sir Daniel (51:57.517)
You

Jay Ray (52:04.155)
is a sub genre of ballad that is identified with black music specifically. So it's typically very rhythmic. It's typically groovy. There is a difference between a slow jam and a ballad. They are different things. We have a whole thing on TikTok where we talk about, here's three artists. This is a ballad.

This is a slow jam and we give you different versions of songs so you can hear like, now I get it.

Toni (52:38.46)
Does anything come to mind? Because I'm thinking, distant love.

Jay Ray (52:40.043)
specific.

Jay Ray (52:44.167)
my God, that is a slow jam. Okay, a classic slow jam. Actually Marvin pretty much exclusively did slow jams. I can't even think of like a straight ahead ballad that Marvin has, like a straight ballad. It's hard for me to come up with one. But Janet Jackson, who we did a whole show on, we call her like the slow jam queen. People do not think of her in this way, but I'm like, babies were conceived to Janet Jackson songs. So.

Sir Daniel (52:45.358)
slow jam.

Sir Daniel (53:11.467)
shore.

Jay Ray (53:12.887)
on the Janet album itself, there are two songs that we point out. One is again, again is a ballad. The slow jam is anytime, anyplace all day. Same voice, but when you listen to the songs, you're like, when that anytime, anyplace comes on, you like grooving into that thing and it's a different experience, right? So.

Sir Daniel (53:20.652)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (53:39.605)
The reason why it's so interesting that you mentioned dirty dancing is because that style was derived from black folks and the music that we were creating and the dancing that we were doing. And that's one of the reasons why dirty dancing resonates with black folks. I love that movie. completely, I, listen, time of my life comes on and when they're dancing down the little side, they're dancing down the thing and they grooving.

Sir Daniel (54:07.63)
That's a ballad. Well, yeah, a power ballad.

Jay Ray (54:09.655)
Yeah, yeah, what's the, what's the, that's the song by, yes, that's a, yes, it's kind of a groovy mid-tempo, but the re, so it's so interesting that you mentioned Dirty Dancing. And the reason why that resonates with black folks is because that whole movie is derived on, you know, stuff that black folks would do in black culture all the time. So we get it.

Sir Daniel (54:33.944)
Plus there was a whole bunch of black people in the work staff. Yeah. And it just so happened that, you know, the white people were, they were magnified in the movie. But yeah, was, Dirty Dancing was definitely about the black people in the back, the help, doing what they did after hours.

Jay Ray (54:36.305)
Mm-hmm. Speaking around that whole thing.

Jay Ray (54:45.771)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (54:54.879)
Absolutely.

Toni (54:56.154)
Now for me, the difference between not specifically the movie Dirty Dancing, but like the moves of Dirty Dancing, Specifically, what is different for me between Slow dragging and Dirty Dancing is that as a kid, you watched your parents slow drag. It was not something that was done in the basement out of the way at the adult parties. The song came on, you could be in the VA, right? You know so much about my childhood now.

Jay Ray (55:02.805)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (55:15.233)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (55:15.47)
Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel (55:25.038)
Hahaha

Jay Ray (55:26.935)
Listen, shout out to the VA. Right, the VFWs and whatnot.

Sir Daniel (55:30.784)
Okay. Shout out to them lodges.

Toni (55:34.546)
And you know, and like you said, you know, like Marvin Gaye, know, Distant Love Comes On, your parents would go out and they would slow drag and it was, it was a dance that was in my eyes and it was a beautiful connecting dance between adults who loved and cared for each other, right? And so as kids, when you would,

Jay Ray (55:41.225)
Mm-hmm. Yes. absolutely.

Jay Ray (55:55.063)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (55:59.211)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (55:59.886)
for sure.

Toni (56:02.392)
emulate that in the basement at Emily's party on Saturday, right? And the slow drag come on. There was no dirty dancing going on. It was, no, it was you and Norman Burks or wishing you were dancing with Norman Burke and you're stuck with Freddie Wayne, right? Cause you know,

Jay Ray (56:06.495)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (56:11.497)
No, we didn't know that yet.

Jay Ray (56:20.567)
Yeah

Sir Daniel (56:21.966)
I love these names.

Toni (56:28.818)
And you're a slow dragon, but it didn't feel threatening or it didn't feel voyeuristic or an exploration or out of control of an exploration of your body. It felt more like a uniting of being with someone who cared about you and would take care of you in his arms or her arms, right?

Jay Ray (56:46.071)
Hmm.

Jay Ray (56:50.507)
Mmm.

Sir Daniel (56:53.142)
Listen, the big, I think what people forget, the biggest organ that we all have is the skin. And what was happening back then is people were having more contact, skin to skin contact that was not necessarily sexual in nature, but it was intimate. And so our skin, what makes it so powerful is it remembers those things. And

Jay Ray (56:53.335)
Okay?

Jay Ray (57:00.823)
It's a skin.

Toni (57:01.585)
Hmm.

Jay Ray (57:09.815)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (57:10.13)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (57:14.479)
Yeah.

Jay Ray (57:20.619)
Mmm.

Sir Daniel (57:22.572)
the sun and it shoots off a lot of synapses and and all the the particles in our brains and it gives us it gives us that good feeling and you know the the dopamine is released and all of those good things that keep us human I think because when you deny people that part of themselves they become something completely ugly and you don't want that around you so that I think those are those are the things that

Jay Ray (57:34.017)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (57:52.942)
we can kind of link and this is completely DJ Sir Daniel's one of his theories is, you know, it's not scientific, but I think that you can connect a line of the decline in that to the uprise in what we have now, you know, you know, you get some more voyeuristic, you got more cheeks clapping and...

Jay Ray (58:12.854)
Mm.

Toni (58:15.024)
It's more voyeuristic now.

Sir Daniel (58:20.002)
They ain't using hands. You know, all of that good stuff that's happening now today.

Jay Ray (58:22.015)
Well, well, yeah, you know, I think this is interesting too, and Toni, it's so interesting that you brought into the conversation also being like a kid and like having like parties, you know, that you would go to as kids. One of the things that we talked about in the Slow Jam series is yes, the intimacy, but also the lesson around consent that that taught young people, right? You had to ask.

Toni (58:45.116)
Mm.

Jay Ray (58:51.563)
the young, in my case, the young lady that I wanted to dance with, if she wanted to dance, and she didn't want to all the time, right? So it teaches you the importance of consent. It also teaches you that everything ain't gonna go the way you think it's gonna go all the time. And guess what? That don't make her a bad person and it don't make you a bad person. This is just what's happening right now. You know,

Go and ask somebody else, give a house party and the, you know, with Kid and Sydney and Sheree. But anyway, that is another piece of this whole thing. That's like in that lesson that we also realize that it's not, it's the intimacy, it's the connection, it's the way of being together and being close with one another and also learning these lessons around how do we communicate to

Sir Daniel (59:19.992)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray (59:46.547)
our feelings with each other in a way that, that nourish, doesn't hurt us, right? So that's the other important part of slow jams. Slow jams gave us language. Teddy Pendergrass, Donovan Ramsey, who wrote when crack was king, recently wrote something I believe on his sub stack about how tender Teddy Pendergrass is. I've been screaming this from the rooftops for years.

Toni (59:59.794)
Mmm.

Jay Ray (01:00:15.541)
Teddy Pendergrass was like digging deep in that heart and is like, listen, I messed up. The whole town is laughing at me. Philly is a big city. Baby, the whole town was laughing at him because he messed up with this woman that he was with. He screwed it up and he needed to sing about it and tell you not to do the same thing. That is why this is important.

Toni (01:00:46.246)
That whole series you did on Slow Jams, I absolutely love it and encourage everybody to go and listen to. I'm all over your fee. I started at the beginning and then when you put one out, have to pop up to the top and then go back down to the, no matter where you start, you're gonna love the show. You're gonna get something really deep and meaningful out of the show.

Jay Ray (01:00:56.736)
you

Jay Ray (01:01:09.217)
Thank you.

Jay Ray (01:01:13.611)
Thank you.

Sir Daniel (01:01:14.136)
Thank you.

Toni (01:01:14.702)
and make sure you check out those playlists and remind us again where we can find you.

Jay Ray (01:01:21.243)
okay. I'm do my whole thing. So here's how the show normally go. So if you can hear our voices and you can see our faces, that is amazing. So visit Queue Points.com for those of you that are checking out Dripping' in Black. Make sure you go over to Queue Points.com. It's your gateway to all things Queue Points. can check out old shows. can visit our magazine, Queue Points Magazine, and check out all of the stuff we have there. That's magazine.qpoints.com.

Sir Daniel (01:01:23.33)
Yes. Go hey.

Toni (01:01:23.674)
Okay.

Jay Ray (01:01:50.121)
On social media, we're at Q Points pod everywhere. And if you want fresh gear, like slow jams can heal us, you can visit our store at store.qpoints.com. Our home girl right here, Toni Kennedy is over on Q Points magazine as well. We have an amazing conversation where we're talking to Toni about What's Poppin' Penny. She checked that out. but yeah, you can, you can find us everywhere.

Toni (01:02:14.912)
You know what I'm living for.

Sir, DJ Sir Daniel, I need to hear the closing words.

Sir Daniel (01:02:25.864)
well, I wrap it up by saying in this life, you have a choice. You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play. I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray (01:02:26.667)
Okay.

Jay Ray (01:02:41.107)
And my name is Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel (01:02:43.446)
And this is Q Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history. And we want to say a special, special Q Points shout out. Thank you to you, Toni. Thank you so much. Thank you for doing this.

Jay Ray (01:02:54.911)
Yes.

Toni (01:02:56.31)
And I want to give a special shout out. Thank you to Dripping in Black for allowing me to host this wonderful moment in my life.

Jay Ray (01:03:01.739)
Yes.

Jay Ray (01:03:08.103)
Real quick. So, Toni, before we go, I just want to say this. Keep going. What's Poppin' Penny is so important on a number of levels, but in particular, our children need to hear it. And especially now with...

the things that are going on with the assault on public broadcasting and all of that stuff, it's going to be platforms like yours that are the gap. Because there's now going to be a gap. And What's Poppin' Penny, is sitting in that gap. And so I just wanted to, before we get out of here, just remind you of how, one, it's dope work, but two, it's also just so critically important. It is to fill a need.

Toni (01:03:55.196)
Thank you.

Jay Ray (01:04:01.163)
that I don't even think folks realize yet. So I just wanted to let you know that before we get up out of here.

Toni (01:04:08.528)
Well, thank you. Sean?

Jay Ray (01:04:13.359)
yeah, what's the present? What we gotta do, Sean?

Toni (01:04:17.202)
I know what the presentation is, I need the reminder word.

Jay Ray (01:04:22.239)
I think we can do it together. I think it's always the thing is dripping in black. So if you did, so if I'm Sir Daniel and I'm Jay Ray and Q Points is dripping in black, is that, that's the presentation, right Sean?

Toni (01:04:26.436)
It's the magazine.

Toni (01:04:35.941)
I thought the presentation was the magazine.

Jay Ray (01:04:41.249)
Let me see. This was super fun. Yeah.

Toni (01:04:41.468)
This was fun, by the way.

Sir Daniel (01:04:43.106)
Have a great time.

Toni (01:04:45.124)
Adrienne, I'm going to be in Atlanta next month.

Sir Daniel (01:04:48.362)
Okay, April or May? Because tomorrow's next month. Okay, cool. Wow, April already. All right, please let me.

Toni (01:04:50.724)
April. Yeah.

Jay Ray (01:04:54.167)
Ciao.

Toni (01:04:58.426)
Yeah, I'm going to the Black Podcast. yes, but it was supposed to be a surprise. Telephone, telegraph, tell Toni.

Jay Ray (01:05:06.987)
What are we doing? We gotta act surprised? Okay, cool. Okay. We're gonna, we are really surprised because I don't know what it is.

Sir Daniel (01:05:08.705)
Opsie.

Sir Daniel (01:05:15.864)
Yeah, because I still don't know what we're talking about, so.

Toni (01:05:20.444)
But there's a special way I'm supposed to say it.

Jay Ray (01:05:25.961)
We're dying to know. No special way. OK. He's a... OK.

Toni (01:05:26.674)
Set it out.

No special way? No, that is not true. Okay, it's coming back. You ready?

Sir Daniel (01:05:33.696)
Love me in a special way. Okay, go ahead.

Toni (01:05:40.06)
So have either of you or both of you ever been on the cover of a magazine?

Jay Ray (01:05:47.869)
No! No!

Sir Daniel (01:05:48.601)
Nah.

Toni (01:05:50.198)
Well, dripping in black is about to change that. Yes, because after the interview is over.

Jay Ray (01:05:54.326)
Really?

Sir Daniel (01:05:55.146)
Stop playing.

Sir Daniel (01:06:02.191)
Wow. And our artwork is on. That's dope. That's so dope.

Jay Ray (01:06:08.001)
That's super cool.

Toni (01:06:08.658)
This will be, you can take a screenshot of it now if you'd like, but you'll be receiving this in the mail. Yeah, I wish I had mine to show you, but I don't have it down here. But yeah, this was, isn't this beautiful?

Sir Daniel (01:06:18.556)
Aw man, that's so cool.

Jay Ray (01:06:18.891)
God, that is super awesome.

Sir Daniel (01:06:27.97)
Thank you.

Jay Ray (01:06:28.019)
That is totally beautiful. And I see y'all have the like the record back there the OG Q Points record and all of that That's super cool. Thank you Dripping in Black is the bomb. That's what's up

Sir Daniel (01:06:32.347)
huh.

Toni (01:06:35.708)
Yep.

Sir Daniel (01:06:38.744)
that you all put a lot of care.

Toni (01:06:41.266)
Drip it and black is the bomb.

Sir Daniel (01:06:43.458)
Y'all put a lot of care into that and I greatly, we greatly appreciate that. Thank you so much. Wow.

Jay Ray (01:06:50.295)
I love that.

Sir Daniel (01:06:53.711)
Eh, we on the magazine, Jay Ray.

Jay Ray (01:06:55.639)
I'm saying.

Toni (01:06:55.768)
Y'all on the magazine. Look at that.

Sir Daniel (01:06:58.198)
And we didn't have to, you know, we didn't have to do nothing strange to get on the magazine. Exactly.

Jay Ray (01:07:00.119)
We didn't have, right. And then we didn't have to do a 2025 thing to get on the magazine. It's a different world.

Toni (01:07:04.548)
NOOOO! NOT AT TWINETS!

Toni (01:07:13.874)
my gosh. Well, I'm sorry if I messed up the surprise. I have a great producer.

Jay Ray (01:07:21.397)
That was, I was totally surprised. I didn't know that was coming. So you did not.

Sir Daniel (01:07:23.274)
Me too. You did not. It's gonna look real good.

Jay Ray (01:07:30.367)
Yes, this has been awesome. Thank you all.

Sir Daniel (01:07:33.368)
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Toni (01:07:34.672)
gotta connect with both of you soon because Johnny you and I have to catch up and when I'm in Atlanta I hope to get to see you in person Adrienne.

Jay Ray (01:07:37.771)
Yes.

Sir Daniel (01:07:45.94)
Absolutely. And I think we got to find the black dads, the library dads. Have you made a connection with them? We got to find a way to link with them because they need, that would be so perfect if the black library dads get to meet you and what's poppin' Penny? That'd be so dope.

Jay Ray (01:07:51.861)
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Toni (01:07:53.759)
yeah. No.

Jay Ray (01:08:05.814)
Mm-hmm.

Toni (01:08:07.214)
If you know anybody, I'm going to be there the 25th through the 27th.

Jay Ray (01:08:11.669)
Okay, okay.

Sir Daniel (01:08:12.216)
Okay.

Toni (01:08:15.236)
I have to give us a send off. I thought I did when they did the sign off. What should the send off sound like?

Sir Daniel (01:08:17.058)
Yes.

Jay Ray (01:08:27.009)
Send a...

Toni (01:08:31.398)
Do it again if you'd like. Okay. So.

It was wonderful talking to you both. And I would appreciate it, greatly appreciate it if we could end this episode the way you end every episode of your podcast. Until we see, yeah.

Jay Ray (01:08:42.359)
Thank you.

Jay Ray (01:08:52.631)
you

Sir Daniel (01:08:53.454)
Alright, I think I could do that. Well, it's like I always say, in this life you have a choice. You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play. I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray (01:09:10.891)
And my name is Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel (01:09:13.228)
And this is Queue Points Podcast, Droppin' the Needle on Black Music History. We will see you on the next go round. Peace.

Jay Ray (01:09:22.039)
Peace.

Toni (01:09:24.69)
Peace. And this is Toni Kennedy thanking all of you for joining us tonight on Dripping in Black. And thank you to Sean and Dominic and Al for allowing me to come in and guest host this incredible legacy of a podcast.

Jay Ray (01:09:45.665)
Peace y'all.

Yay! That was super fun. Okay, so we have to do our thing.

Sir Daniel (01:09:50.498)
That was fun.